Normal balanced diet is enough:

23 May 2008:Bromsgrove Standard newpaper:

In the latest MORI survey, there was a majority of support for water fluoridation across all age groups in the population.

The highest level of support (78 per cent) was among 16 to 24 year olds.

Consultant in dental public health to Birmingham Health Authority, John Langford, commented: “This poll shows that there is still a massive majority of support for adding fluoride to water to promote better dental health."

The questions were as follows: Do you think that fluoride should be added to the water supply if it reduces tooth decay? Second was, Do you think there is fluoride naturally present in water?

First question after reading that is, why did Langford use the word ‘still’? Was it in the wake of the York report not stating that it was a panacea for healthy teeth, but a concern of fluorosis and people now, are having second thoughts on fluoride?

It is also at this stage that I also add that Julie Kirkbride MP is on the panel for Mori and that she also supported the addition of fluoride.

We are told by South Staffs Water in a letter this paper has that it and the PCT carried out a public opinion poll in 1985 before adding fluoride asking people those very same questions, but according to Strategic Health that covers the whole of the West Midlands, when we asked under the Freedom Of Information Act, it said there was no such undertaking.

Fluoride is present in all manner of foods - water, tea leaves, meat, fruit, vegetables, milk, and poultry. So if you eat all these foods in a balanced way, you get the protection you need. But Langford ignores this information and he should use his position to teach the nation better eating habits.

Stan Francis
Bromsgrove Clean Water Group.

Editor Reply: Please read the two questions again asked in the Mori Poll. They did not say, if you knew this was a poison would you say yes to it being added to your tap water supply. Further they did not say if fluoride caused health problems would you say yes to it being added to your tap water supply. Mr John Langford knows very well that the York enquiry said that there was poor evidence provided to make conclusine decisions on if fluoride was affecting our bodies. But he said he was glad with the Poll outcome, if this man is a consultant for our health at Worcestershire Primary CARE, I for one have no confidence in his decision making at all...see here in the York report where they say there's poor evidence.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fluouride in water does much more harm than good South Staffs Water put fl uoride into our supply, not at our request, but at the request of the local health authority - how does everyone feel about that? Its only reason for being used is to protect the nation’s teeth. How swallowing fl uoride can protect your teeth I do not know - it may fl ow over your teeth for a brief moment, but when in your bloodstream, does nothing for decay of your teeth. It, in fact, does harm to your body. We read in the newspapers that more and more men are becoming infertile, children have behavioral habits at school and are now a great concern, cancers we never had we now have. Fluoride is a waste by-product of the fertilizer and aluminum industry and it’s also a part two poison under the UK Poisons Act 1972. Its basic ingredients is PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride). In World War II, the Soviets openly admitted to ‘using fl uoride in the water supplies in their concentration camps to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient.’ The fi rst occurrence of fl uoridated drinking water was found in Germany’s Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fl uoride’s supposed effect on children’s teeth, their reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fl uoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. Ninety-seven per cent of Western Europe has rejected fl uoridated water due to the known health risks. However here in Bromsgrove, we are being forced to drink it and Alan Johnson MP, Secretary of State for Health, is trying to fast-track the fl uoridation of the entire country’s water supply. I am asking people to reject this threat to our very future of early dementure. Stan Francis
Romsley
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Healthy family life despite the fl uoride Stan Francis’ letter has me confused. I thought I had been drinking fl uoridated water for most of my life (I am 51). Am I right, or has the fl uoride in my toothpaste induced early dementia? Seriously, Bromsgrove and Birmingham children have been found to have the healthiest teeth in the UK. The two authorities were among the fi rst to fl uoridate their water. Coincidence? Mr Francis also seems to have picked up the Ladybird book of chemistry. ‘Fluoride’, if I remember my school chemistry lessons, refers to any compound of fl uorine. Just as chlorine is lethal to humans, as sodium chloride (salt), it is essential. Some fl uorides are no doubt harmful, but not, presumably, the one in water. As for inducing sterility, anyone who knows my family will fi nd that hilarious. My late aunt raised 12 healthy children on the stuff, and her second great-grand child was born this month. I cannot comment on the effects to the brain, but the local council election results suggest that Mr Francis may have a point here. Neil Godwin
King George Close
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Whetting interest in water issue I am glad to see Mr Francis is jumping on a bandwagon which is at least 40 years old and, more to the point, addressing his coments to the wrong area - Romsley’s water supplies are serviced by South Staffs Water. Should he not be making them and the people of Halesowen aware of the dangers? Not those people whose water supply is Severn Trent. Dare I raise the point, what about toothpaste? Does it not contain fl uoride? Still, it’s nice to see a letter from the old curmugen. Your letters page has been a bit dull of late. S Amato
Via e-mai
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fluoride deception A few observations on fl uoridation: you’re putting fl uoride in 100 per cent of the water. The Department of the Environment admits losing 40 per cent of that in underground leaks before you even get it – so that’s 40 per cent of all the water you’ve bothered to fl uoridate gone into the environment where it is not supposed to go under international law! Of the 60 per cent left, industry uses around 90 per cent of the water supply (including farming). That’s 90 per cent of the 60 per cent of all the water you bothered to fl uoridate gone. Of the ten per cent that goes to your house, you drink less than one per cent. You water the lawn, wash dishes and clothes and fl ush the toilet but you’re not drinking it. How many children have the really bad teeth we’re trying to cure? About three per cent of the population! So you have three per cent of the population drinking three per cent of ten per cent of 60 per cent of the water you’ve bothered to fl uoridate. Does this sound like a logical way to deliver a drug to a small target audience which doesn’t even drink the water? Would you want me to take someone else’s drug for the rest of my life for a condition I don’t even have – because a small group of children don’t brush their teeth, eat too many sweets, and drink fi zzy drinks all the time? If they drink fi zzy drinks full time, there is no point in putting it in for them, they don’t even drink the water supply! Get informed – learn the true history of fl uoride – read The Fluoride Deception written after ten years of research by award winning journalist Chris Bryson. David Gear
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No need for fl uoride John Langford, April 11, extols the virtues of fl uoride in drinking water. Why are Ireland with about 74 per cent fl uoridation and England/Wales with about ten per cent almost the only countries in Europe adding fl uoride. It is not added in Northern Ireland or Scotland, nor to that in most European countries. It is a social crusade for some health professionals and the practice will spread countrywide after the Government pushed through legislation enabling health authorities to require water companies to add fl uoride to drinking water. The legislation relied heavily on misrepresenting the fi ndings of the York Review which the Department of Health funded. It said: “In 2000 the Centre for Reviews and Dissemination at the University of York published a report of a systematic review of the evidence on fl uoridation, which concluded that the fl uoridation of water increased the number of children without tooth decay by 15 per cent and that children in fl uoridated areas had, on average, 2.25 fewer teeth affected by decay than those in non-fl uoridated areas.” That was not what the review said. Its authors stated that they were are concerned about continuing misinterpretations of evidence and urged interested parties to read the review’s conclusions in full at: www.york. ac.uk/inst/crd/pdf/summary.pdf .” They stated evidence found worldwide suggested water fl uoridation was likely to have a benefi cial effect, but it could range from substantial benefi t to a slight disbenefi t to children’s teeth. This benefi cial effect comes at the expense of an increase in the prevalence of fl uorosis (mottled teeth). Fluoridated water may be good for some whilst bad for others but why let the truth get in the way of Government plans? Parents could and should encourage good oral hygiene, but if they use fl uoride toothpaste they should only ‘use a pea-sized amount for supervised brushing to minimise swallowing’ as advised on the tube. MH Bromsgrove
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What is the real reason? ‘Flouride is good for you, honest, trust us!’ So, for our own good, because the state of the nation’s teeth is of huge importance to those that lead us, they say fl uoride needs to be added to all water supplies. We have people living in poverty, suffering from Alzheimers and dying from cancer, but hey we must save the people’s teeth. There’s something wrong here, how many of you really beleive that the Government is worried about our teeth? If a real loving Government existed, working for the people, then teeth would be way down the list of important things to focus on, work on and spend money on and anyway, rotton teeth keep many in work and paying taxes. People with toothache pay taxes, so why is the condition of our teeth of such importance? They can’t be lying can they? They dont have other reasons do they? Perhaps fl uoride isn’t really for the good of our teeth. Why would they care about our teeth when it appears they couldn’t care less about the killing of innocent young children in bombing raids in foreign lands? Now come on, no more unpatriotic talk - dont worry, believe in them, they want fl uoride in the water because they really are selfl ess, caring humanitarians who just simply want us to have nice teeth, honest. Now get back to watching reality TV and fi ghting over football and trust them! Behind everything physical, behind every action is the hidden reason, the cause. So why do we really need fl uoride in our water, do you think? Phil Haynes
Catshill
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Benefi ts of fl uoride don’t outweigh risk Stan Francis is right to continue to draw attention to the health risks of fl uoride in drinking water, but does it even work as intended? Another correspondent claims it does and that Bromsgrove and Birmingham children have the healthiest teeth in the UK, but that statement is only partially true. Bromsgrove children’s teeth are amongst the healthiest in the UK, but the teeth of children in central Birmingham, for instance, are almost the worst in the UK despite water fl uoridation. Social deprivation is the greatest infl uence on dental health. Research showing fl uoride could be harmful is dismissed but so, for very many years, was research which demonstrated the connection between tobacco and lung cancer. Individuals react differently, even to prescribed medication, which is why most medicines are accompanied by a very long list of potential side effects. Most will not experience any of them but, for an unlucky few, they could prove to be very harmful or even fatal. Fluoride may be tolerated by some, but for others it is thought to contribute to cancer, thyroid disease and other serious conditions, so why risk it? A basic rule of medical ethics is that no person should be treated without his/her consent, but adding fl uoride to our drinking water is indiscriminate mass medication for social reasons and a breach of that right. Why should the majority accept potential damaging side effects to their health as an alternative to educating the minority in dental hygiene? It seems quite bizarre for this poison to be set to be added to the water of even more areas of England, when almost all other countries in Europe have ceased to use it. Perhaps that is because governments in other countries are more concerned for the rights of their citizens than our Government is. MH
Bromsgrove
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This week we have asked Worcestershire Trading Standards to issue a court sumons against Worcestershire Primary Trust for putting poison into our drinking water, even though the gov't have said it is legal. The people were not asked, it's not a drug, so it must be an illegal medicinal water.
s.francis, bromsgrove, worcestershire
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I have read up on this subject and this week the Bromsgrove Standard newspaper in Worcestershire where we have fluoridation has printed my letter on it and Warning people of the impending dangers to their health...29th March 2008
s.francis, bromsgrove/worcs, england
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Fluoride was first introduced into a drinking supply by Adolf Hitler, this was done in the Nazi concentration camps, and one the is for sure he was not concerned about there dental health.
It is know to suppress constructive thought and dumbs down brain function.
This is mass medication by politicians, just look at the warnings on your tube of toothpaste: DO NOT SWALLOW, IF SWALLOWED SEEK MEDICAL ADVICE.
s. pounds, Northampton, UK
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If fluoride is so bad for us, I wonder why govenments want to introduce/keep it in the water? Could it possibly be because they actually want to dumb down, reduce the population? Oh, surely not! Are we really that gullible? After all, they're always going on about the idea that the world population is far too big. What a brilliant way to get rid of all those who are a drain on the world's resources. It's the poorer areas which are being targeted; those with a higher population? Haven't you noticed how much control they're taking away from us? Haven't you noticed that unelected people are the ones who are making the laws that control us? Europe is a case in point. They're getting us used to a CCTV society, taking away freedoms and replacing them with fear, finger-printing our children at school and telling them not to tell their parents - just so that they can take out library books; just a few examples from this Brave New World Order. Wake up people! Stand up and say NO.

A brave new world! It may cause cancer, it may sedate us like prozac, but at least we will have clean teeth..

I do not understand why UK is even considering fluoridation when the American Dental Association are now saying that babies bottle's should not be made up with fluoridated water. This is criiminal. Not only are we being poisoned by our own water supply - which we pay for, but once again we are having our freedom of choice taken away. After 6 phone calls last week I am still none the wiser as to whether our water in Warwickshire has fluoride added since noone seems to want to discuss it!! I have been ill with an undiagnosed thyroid problem for most of my life and I now believe much it has been due to mercury and fluoride. Fluoride displaces iodine which is an essential mineral for thyroid function. I have been deficient in iodine. A Obbard. Banbury.
The National Pure Water Association has repeatedly asked the UK Department of Health to cite one scientific or laboratory study from anywhere in the world which proves that fluoridation reduces tooth decay in humans. They have failed to do so. The fact is that there is not a single scientific or laboratory study from anywhere in the world which proves that fluoridation reduces tooth decay in humans. There are, however, hundreds of published scientific papers which show that water fluoridation is dangerous to human, animal, plant and aquatic life, which is no surprise considering the relative toxicity levels of the substance. That list of dangers to humans reads like a medical dictionary such are the effects noted in scientific papers from around the world. These include collagen disruption leading to breakdown of collagen in bone, tendon, muscle, skin, cartilage, lungs, kidney and trachea, and the inhibition of antibody formation in the blood and confusion of the immune system. Fluoride kills red blood cells and damages gastric mucosa resulting in the symptoms of irritable bowel syndrome. It is implicated in genetic disorders, low IQ levels in children, pre-senile dementia and Alzheimer's disease, premature ageing and thyroid disorders due to its disruption of iodine in the body. Fluorides have also been used as drugs for modifying human behaviour and moods. It has also been argued that fluoride increases cancer rates. In a recent study it was found that, pro-rata, 40% more people contracted bone cancer in the Republic of Ireland, which is fluoridated, compared with non-fluoridated but otherwise similar Northern Ireland.
This must be stopped, there is growing evidence that the immediate effects of fluoridation have adverse effects on the pineal gland, endocrine system with long term adverse effects on bones and teeth. There is absolutely no way that a safe limit to the amount each person would receive can be controlled. I have personally written to Allan Johnson asking who will be held responsible since the laws governing the supply of water have been radically changed to mitigate any legal liability of the water companies. I have also written to my Strategic Health Authority asking if they intend to implement the scheme and if so, when they will be holding their public consulation. The first patents relating to Fluoride I understand were for instecides and rat poisons. This situation is truly Orwellian, we have our Health Service mass prescribing a poison. Even more interesting is that the principle ingredient of Prozac is a fluoride derivative.
Fluoride addition in whatever form is toxic, period! It is impossible to compare dental carries statistics between regions as many factors such as sugar ingestion and regular brushing etc have a greater bearing on the health of teeth. Email evrybody you know to say NO to this poison ....contact your MP, your water company and even the ignorant Health secretary .. this must be stopped ... it is FORCED "medication"!!

Fluoride is bad for the immune system,too.

The BDA are quick to point out how well children in Birmingham and the North East do with less tooth decay but fail to point out the statistics and research which show that these areas have the highest rate of children born with thyroid problems, an illness which is known to be caused by excess flouride. Birmingham also spends more on dental care than manchester so is it the fluoride or the money which keeps those statistics up Which would we rather have perfect teeth or a nation of people with long term health problems costing the country Fluoride is a class 2 poison banned in most european countries, it was used in concentration camps to keep the inmates quiet and adding it to our water is a breach of human rights as it will be mass medication
I am fed up of politicians,who very often only have selfish or corperate interests,harping on about 'the poor deprived children'.Is Alan Johnson admitting the poor/rich divide?If so,then the tooth decay problem could be easily solved in a way the Swiss have dealt with it.In Switzerland water fluoridation has been banned but instead the population were given a choice,they could buy table salt(guess what)with sodium fluoride in.This I believe could go a long way to solving this 'problem'.Unfortunately,the state of the dental health system is contributing to the problem-try finding a dentist who will take you on in Manchester.Finally I would recommend that people educate themselves about the history of fluoridation,most especially those who are supposed to represent our views in parliament,and not listen to the serpent-like voice of your corperate advisors.

I am a dentist who used to work in Birmingham. I saw for myself the benefits of fluoridation for my patients. My children also benefited. When I moved to Yorkshire I was struck by the poor state of dental health. Birmingham and Newcastle have been fluoridated for over 40 years. Nearly three quarters of the water supplies in the USA are fluoridated and a programme is underway to deliver fluoridated water to 18 million more people. It is about time that people in other parts of the UK received the benefits of fluoridation.
I want to protest this,but dont know how.If anyone has any links for organisations who are pro active/. Please post Its a sign of the times.& you have to draw the line & say anough is anough.
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The eruption of permanent teeth is delayed by one year .Therefore data comparing decay rates is only valid when age corrected ie. comparing 12 year old children(non fluoridated) to 13year olds(fluoridated) reveals that there is little difference in decay rates! Fluoridation is an outdated and ineffective method of preventing decay.Not one life should be lost in this unscientific mass medication! As a past president of the Australian Dental Association(SA) it is my duty to warn the public of the dangers of fluoridation. The long term effects of fluoride in bones is poorly researched.Claims of total safety are reckless and unproven. Recent research at the Univ. of North Carolina have clearly shown that the FSA chemicals leach LEAD from old pipes and leaded brass fittings ..
The Times needed more balance here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride_poisoning http://www.fluoridealert.org/ Celina you are correct by the way, fluoride has been used to make prisoners docile in Nazi war camps, it only has a topical effect and I would have thought that every family could afford toothbrushes. This is also against your human right to choose medication. D.L Anderson is basically typical of your average American and British citizen nowadays. Apathy is rife, especially in the media. Please research the news properly and stop simply parroting what you are told. The population need to be properly informed to make good choices in life. Water is fluoridated with Hexafluorosilicic acid, this is so toxic and corrosive a specially equipped tanker carries it, it is an industrial toxic waste by-product commonly of the aluminium industry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexafluorosilicic_acid See how easy it was to show the flip side here? I'm not even a journalist!
Oh my god, if you value your health, just say no to poison. Flouride is caustic like bleach. Its a by product of fertilizer and a too toxic to dump anywhere but in the Irish drinking water? One percent is not justification for poisioning the population. Natural occuring flouride is not what they will put in your water folks. Say NO! Its so poison they have to submit the routes the trucks take prior to it being shipped to the water treatment facilities in the States. It destroys teeth and bones and may cause add and adhd in children. Its vile.

Does the Government have a scheme by which to reverse this fluoridation for individual cases that it is contra-indicated? Editors for "Scientific American" believe recent studies suggest that fluoride raises the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland, and in general “scientific attitudes” about fluoridation may be shifting. Other reports have even indicated Fluoride was the substance added to the water in Nazi concentration camps to keep inmates subjugated. Do the Government have the right to mass medicate and feed this into our food supply through watering crops with a suspect substance without our agreement?
When I was a child fluoridation of public water supplies in the U.S. was getting under way. The air was filled with all sorts of paranoia and rumors and fears which time and experience have shown to be ludicrous. Eventually the silly season died down. It's interesting to see this just now happening in another country. There really isn't anything to be afraid of here!

I really hope this doesn't go ahead as: There is considerable evidence that fluoride does not reduce tooth decay. There is considerable concern that fluoride is linked to a wide range of medical disorders. Fluoridation of water supplies is enforced mass medication. It is an infringement of human rights and medical ethics. Whenever this issue comes up they base their whole argument on the difference between Birmingham and Manchester. Never mind there could have been other reasons why Birmingham performed better - more funding or greater awareness and campaigning perhaps? Lets just say that adding fluoride does help - it doesn't help enough to combat kids eating junk - they will still get cavities! I will be so angry if this happens. Studies have shown that the any beneficial effect fluoride has, is topical ; meaning that you should add it to your teeth directly, the fluoride in water would have no effect .
Are they going to add fluoride to cola and other sugar-laden fizzy drinks too? Surely the children that the government are trying to target with this scheme are children who drink very little tap water anyway. Handing out toothbrushes and toothpaste and educating children about oral hygeine would be a far better use of time and money, and would leave the rest of Manchester's decay-free population to enjoy the fluoride-free tap water.